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A supposed expert PUA, Roissy in DC recently claimed that a woman being Black was a legitimate tell for whether or not she’s a slut.  While I considered this sort of uneducated chest beating par for the course for an obviously racist douchebag, many took above the bar offense to it.

While those posts were largely unmoderated, actually educated responses that disproved Roissy’s assertion were “moderated” or simply deleted, so that he and likeminded commenters could claim that no women were capable of truly rational responses.  Naturally, when I blew him out of the water, it apparently pissed him off.

So here’s my response to Mu’min’s questions, and his call to forgive Roissy for making an understandable error.  This was deleted.

So much for his claim of not moderating unless it’s spam or un-funny trolling.  He just can’t handle the truth.

(Since then, the ban had been lifted, but who knows for how long…)

Mu’min said “I still don’t think you’re getting my point: that one, I wasn’t at all crazy about Roissy’s premise on the subjective level; and that two, on the basis of a group of documented facts, an argument could be made in support of Roissy’s contention.”

An argument could be made in support of eugenics too, but you don’t see me
promoting that even though it is my personal preference not to breed with
thugs.

“Which you still have yet to actually speak to. Neither has anyone else. “

I have. I don’t argue based on what someone could have thought because they’re
intellectually lazy. I focus on what is and what ain’t.

An excusable or honest mistake is still a mistake that should be corrected.

“Again:
As I said, based on the facts, there is generally less social and financial
support for a Black woman who chooses to become a single mother. There are
other factors like cultural beliefs including but not limited to the
aversion to using a man’s genetic material without his permission. At least
in my family, we were raised to view this as a form of rape that would
override even the guilt associated with abortion.

How do you account for the fact that more Black Women get abortions than
anyone else?”

Also, as I said before, abortion is a vote of no confidence in the father.

“How do you account for the fact that Black people marry less and stay
together less than other groups, particularly Whites and Asians?”

Since the biological and social function of defining a romantic relationship
rests with the male, this is a man problem not a woman problem.

In favor of your premise (honest mistake), I could see how a suburban White
male used to dealing with hoes and harpies (which for you feminists out
there is a whole other pathology than the overly naive label
 ”madonna/whore”) would be confused about that. In a culture pushing
aggressively towards a whore-as-wife system, women have more defining power
than they’re naturally or even just socially equipped for.

Since Black families tend to be closer to “primitive” in belief and
practical survival strategy, they haven’t grasped this scary aspect of
“advancement”. Yet they’re attempting to assimilate and mimick the behavior
of their differently cultured peers, which women who tend not to date out,
cannot truly afford. A Black woman can’t afford to be equally promiscuous to
her White peers because her options are not the same. So Shaniqua can do the
same thing or less than Blair next door, but suffer more for it.

Add that to the fact that African features are considered less beautiful in
the west than European ones, and you have a woman who was not only raised in
a culture in which she needs men to be “the man” finding them few and far
between, and the icing on the cake being that unless she looks like a brown
European, she is less socially convenient by default.

Speaking generally, men shag based on beauty and availability. Men only
commit based on social convenience.

“It has been said that Blacks have sex at earlier ages. Do you deny this and
on what basis? ”

Starting to have sex earlier does not increase the number of partners one
has in life if they aren’t in the habit of musical balls.

Also, as I learned from a friend who works with teen mothers, the father or
first sex is usually with an older male relative or friend of the family.
Quite often, sick as it may seem, in the case of a non relative, the father
takes responsibility and may not marry the girl, but does what he can for
their child if he’s not incarcerated.

Life is a funny thang.

“How do you account for the fact-FACT-that some 70% of ALL Black children are born out of wedlock? ”

See above. Good or bad, when you’re living on the edge or with
super-conservative values, stuff tends to happen that wouldn’t in White
suburbia so often. If you look at a place like poorer areas of Utah though,
you see somewhat similar patterns, just that the people are White and the
culture is more aggressively pro legalized marriage.

It’s not so far fetched for a 16 year old girl to be involved with a 20+
year old guy.

A personal account, but fairly normal.Because my parents were a bit
yuppified, I expected them to be horrified by my first fiance. He was 23 and
I was 16 when we started flirting, and I was 17 when we started
dating-dating. My parents were worried about my safety, but that was about
it. They said they’d be worried if I was interested in guys my own age.

My grandmother was 14 and my grandfather in his 20′s when they married.

I watch my daughter’s eyes. She doesn’t really look at guys under 20′ish. It’s
my belief that the closer to natural people are, the more likely it is to
see older guys pursuing girls in their mid teens, and if they aren’t
thwarted, to see these relationships last for years.

I suspect that one of the major reasons Black teen and single moms aren’t
still with the fathers of their children is because the fathers leave or are
incarcerated, or the relationships are labelled as somehow sick because in
suburbia, 18 is the magic number that suddenly transforms someone into an adult.

So really what it boils down to is Black men leaving Black women behind.
Since relatively few of us date out or even have the option to, it’s not
White guys who are leaving us pregnant and unmarried in substantial numbers.

The promiscuity thing doesn’t even add up statistically, but the HIV and
single motherhood statistics make perfect sense in a somewhat sexually
isolated group of women. As far as HIV, similar situations are occuring in
Africa and Arab countries, many with communities of women who certainly do not ever date out or even at all before they are married.

In the U.S. now, there’s a growing problem of Muslim women who have only
slept with their husbands, getting HIV from their husbands. You figure this
is because Muslim women are sluts?

A good chunk of Muslim women in the U.S. are African American, btw.

“Now.
We both agree that the *HIV* piece has a good deal to do with the Black Men involved. In no way do I condone their behavior, indeed I abhor it. Having
said that though, even taking everything you said on that score as a given,
you still have not addressed the other points above.”

I did. Not in as much detail, but I did. I just didn’t get too deep because
as you can see, it ends up being alot of writing to do for a basically
pointless argument.

“And it is all of this, taken together, that can give one such as Roissy,
the impression that Black Women are, on average, sluttier than White or
Asian Women. ”

His impression is not a fact. He should check his facts before making claims
as if they are facts.

“Whether its actually true or not is in a way as irrelvant as whether all
Black Men stick up Cabbies, and then I got the nerve to get mad when one
passes me by.”

It would be relevant to you if it gave the impression to cab drivers that it’s
okay not to just pass you by, but to hurl abuses at you and maybe throw
something as they do.

.or better yet, if cab drivers though that once they did let you in a cab,
they could drive you to wherever they wanted to go, not where you want to
go, and drop you off there because you’re Black and will for sure be up for
it.

“The point is that that particular Cabbie doesn’t want to take the chance
based on the fact-FACT-that Black Men have a Jurisprudence Problem.”

Dude, I wish this myth would cause racists to *avoid* us. I really do.

Problem is, it just makes us seem like easier targets at best, justifiable
targets of exploitation and sexual assaults at worst.

“We can argue the causes and reasons and this and that till we Blue-Black in
the face, but that man driving that cab doesn’t have the time or inclination
to navel gaze like that. I personally don’t like being passed up for cabs,
as its happened to me.”

I like being passed up for sexual advances by people who think I’m a monkey.
I honestly wish people like that would avoid me like the plague.

“But just because I don’t like it don’t mean that the man doesn’t have a
point.”

Having a point does not make the statement correct.

Why he made the mistake is not important to me. It’s a mistake that needs
correction. If he refuses to, that’s his business because it’s his blog.but
at this point he can’t claim that it’s based on anything but a stereotype.

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